[English] Hon. Lloyd Axworthy (Minister of Human Resources Development and Minister of Western Economic Diversification, Lib.): Mr. Speaker, unlike the hon. member and his colleagues who have from day one taken a totally negative attitude toward any reform at all, we are saying to the students today, as I offered their leaders in the meeting this morning and as I offered student leaders across the country when I met with them: ``Let us come together and look at this problem.
[Traduction] L'hon. Lloyd Axworthy (ministre du Développement des ressources humaines et ministre de la Diversification de l'économie de l'Ouest canadien, Lib.): Monsieur le Président, dès le commencement, le député et ses collègues ont décidé de tout rejeter en bloc, d'adopter une attitude négative à l'égard de toute réforme.